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rob balsamo
Re:Spam, Nov 12 2008, 05:08 PM


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Hi Ace,

You are welcome to post your theory in the Alt Theory section. You are posting 22 points of the same topic "Video Composite Theory". Please use one thead. I see one of our mods have already taken the time to merge them for you.

Thanks for your PM.

Rob

QUOTE
I bring a completely scientific approach to investigating the video composite hypothesis, testing it against an alternative hypothesis, it is my own work, laborious, I politely enquire about the correct sub-forum in which to post, I obey despite disagreement, nervertheless . . .

. . .you consider this "spam"?

-Sincerely,

Ace Baker







QUOTE
acebaker,

I am advising the mods to please consilidate all your posts into one thread. Please do not spam our forum with 22 points of the same topic.

Thank you.

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Spam, Nov 12 2008, 04:44 PM


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CC: dMole, Leslie Landry, Oceans Flow, painter, Sanders
acebaker,

I am advising the mods to please consilidate all your posts into one thread. Please do not spam our forum with 22 points of the same topic.

Thank you.


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Re:Reported Post from Ace Baker - Video Composite Theory Set
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Re:Reported Post from Ace Baker - Video Composite Theory Set, Nov 14 2008, 04:23 AM


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QUOTE
dMole,

You have been sent this communication from acebaker via the "Report this post to a moderator" link.

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Topic: Ace Baker - Video Composite Theory Set
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Link to post: http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum//index....0#entry10758800

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Report:

Mod -

Could this post

http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum//index....&p=10758800

please be moved to the top of the thread?

Thank you.

Ace Baker

------------------------------------------------Regards,

The Pilots For 9/11 Truth Forum team.
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Hello Ace,

I just got the PM that you sent me, but both links looked to be the existing first post in your thread:

http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum//index....&p=10758694

I'm not sure which post you wanted moved there. Our forum software sorts by timestamp, and while I can move posts from thread to thread, I don't know of a way to move later posts thread-upward (chronologically).

Also, I'm going to be traveling for several days in the morning, so you may want to contact one of the other moderators or admins if something still needs to be moved. The your and my post numbers are different (your two links have the same post number), but all link to the top of your thread.

This was one of the better-thought arguments for "no plane" that I've seen anywhere BTW (other than the missing plane wreckage at all 4 sites).

Thanks you,
d


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Re:Reported Post from Ace Baker - Video, Nov 14 2008, 08:30 AM


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Ace, my earlier PM was fired off quickly -

I wanted to say that I glanced over your thread. Personally, I delved into this topic at length a year or so ago, and frankly have lost interest in the subject somewhat ... but from what I can tell you have managed to avoid the obvious pit-falls related to this. (I commend you for that.) Obviously, there is something awry.

Cheers


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Re:Reported Post from Ace Baker - Video, Nov 15 2008, 12:06 AM


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QUOTE
Please tell GroundPounder to be civil and mature.

I read all of the exchanges, and I didn't read anything I felt warranted me telling GroundPounder to behave.


- Sanders


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Re:Reported Post from Ace Baker - Video Composite Theory Set, Nov 15 2008, 12:14 AM


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I have went and briefly read through the thread. I cant say that i have anything to give a warning about. I am not picking sides whats so ever. I see Ground Pounder asking questions..which will happen on any thread. I also noticed that you said that you were being compared to KillTown. From what i have read, No one compared you to killtown other then the fact that you both believe NPT. Just try to stay calm and understand that when you provide your thoughts/ideas/opinions (what have you), you are going to be questioned and its up to you on how to respond.

Regards,
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Leslie Landry,

You have been sent this communication from acebaker via the "Report this post to a moderator" link.

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Topic: Ace Baker - Video Composite Theory Set
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Link to post: http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum//index....0#entry10758874

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Report:

Please tell GroundPounder to be civil and mature.

------------------------------------------------Regards,

The Pilots For 9/11 Truth Forum team.
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Ace ..., Nov 15 2008, 01:11 PM


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Ace,

You've already been cautioned by Rob about spamming the board. What you've done this morning is close to if not over that line. But before we go any further, let me tell you where I am:

Over the last couple years many of us here looked over much of what was being put out via the NPT/VF crowd. I'm quite willing to believe that some VF was used on 9/11 and that there may not have been "planes". From the research done here it is clear that DoD has the technical ability to not only interrupt but modify Broadcast imagery. (There's a thread in Alt Theories about this but I haven't found it yet.)

The problem I have with the NPT/VF is two fold: One is the attitude of many who propose it. The other is that much of the research that was presented was logically flawed and incoonclusive.

I define "disinfo" as stating categorically that something IS true without sufficient evidence to arrive at that conclusion. IOW, it is one thing to say something "may be" true and requires further corroborating evidence and another to say that something is "definitively proven," as you do in this post for example: http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum//index....&p=10758885

At this time I lack both the time or the inclination to look at the evidence you've provided. I don't have a lot of time, for one thing but mostly I got 'burned out' on the whole NPT/VF stuff a long time ago. However, I've asked some of the other admins/mods to take a look at your presentation if/when they have time/interest and give me/us an opinion. If this comes back positive, I may make time to give it a look.

In the mean time, I'm asking you to consider something. I fully understand that if, as you obviously believe, there were no planes at all at the WTC on 9/11, many of the questions posed and discussed in the various forums and threads are "irrelevant" from the NPT/VF perspective. I have no problem with you replying to a post in a thread and pointing someone to your research as a way of addressing an observed anomaly.

HOWEVER, I'm also asking you to keep in mind something else: In large measure the P4T forum is a community. Many of us here have been looking down this rabbit hole for a long time and many of us have gotten to know one another as people. This is one of the problems I've had with the "attitude" of many of the NPT/VF crowd (and posters like Killtown in particular). Often (not always) there is no "camaraderie." The posters become so obsessed with the validity of their own research that they don't engage with others on a more persona, human to human interactional level. It becomes all about their theory and nothing about who they are.

This is important (to me and others here, I think) because ultimately for a theory as "radical" (by that I mean, contrary to public opinion) as NPT/VF to be embraced, there has to be a lot of independently verifiable evidence to back it up. And that is because at a certain level people have to "come out of the closet" and put their names and their reputations on the line for it. Richard Gage, David Ray Griffin, and many others whose names you know aren't going to embrace NPT/VF unless it so well established that it can be considered a proven fact. At a lower level, people like Rob and myself and many others here are not going to start talking about NPT/VF to our friends and associates unless we are fairly well convinced that it is the only rational explanation for observed events.

But the real point I'm trying to get you to understand, here, is that many of us know one another. Some of us have met in person. We know our names, addresses, phone numbers. We talk about a lot of things, not just 9/11. Although it is limited by the nature of the forum medium, many of us have a sense of who the others are as people, as fellow human beings. I'm asking you to keep this in mind because as of this moment I don't know anything about you. I don't know if "Ace Baker" is your real name. I don't know anything about you except that you've obviously spent a lot of time pulling together evidence to support your claim. You have not yet become "integrated" into the community. From my perspective this is important. To become "integrated" doesn't mean we have to embrace your POV -- many of us here don't share the same interests or share the same perspective -- but what we do have is an attitude of mutual respect. We learn from one another not only about 9/11 but about a lot of other things, some more directly related, others not.

Again, I'm certainly willing to entertain NPT/VF but for me to "embrace" it to the point where I'm willing to discuss it with friends, family, associates and actually promote it as a viable explanation for the events of 9/11 is going to require A LOT of evidence. And this evidence needs to be more than 'speculative'. For example, CIT have made their names public, have gone to the Pentagon and have interviewed witnesses on camera. So now we have a whole host of people, investigators and witnesses, who have publicly 'testified' as to what they saw. Although 'speculation' can be drawn from what was reported, the fact is there is no question that they are who they are, that they said what they said. This is now a part of the public, historical record.

So far as I know, nothing like this has been done in regards to plane/no-plane witnesses at the WTC. I suggested a long time ago that this kind of research needs to be done there. We have public records of witnesses who heard and felt explosions -- many of them. But what do we have when it comes to witnesses of planes or the absence there of? How many people are willing to go on camera with their names and faces and say what they did or didn't see? For example, how difficult would it be to identify the firemen who were present at the intersection where the first plane impact was recorded by the Naudet brothers? Perhaps some of them perished that day but others not. In any case, although it would be taxing and would require one getting up from one's computer, tracking down these guys and actually interviewing them and recording what they saw and heard -- for the historical record -- this is the kind of thing that ultimately is going to be required. Otherwise what we have is speculation based upon analysis of video -- which can be debated endlessly by 'experts'. IOW, it isn't 'conclusive'.

All I'm really asking here is that you be considerate of this community. Allow for the fact that many here may not embrace your research and, therefore, to them the questions which you think are 'irrelevant', may not be so to them. Personally, I think your research is more likely to be taken seriously if you get to know us, and we get to know you. Who are you? How did you get into this? What motivates you? What is your attitude toward those who do not agree with you? These are the kinds of things that make a difference on a personal level and contribute to our taking both you and your research seriously.

Best regards,

Michael



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Re:Ace ..., Nov 15 2008, 06:10 PM


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Hi Ace,

Thank you for your reply. Here is who I am (nobody particularly important): http://www.rawpaint.com

I think I understand at least a little bit your disinterest in "camaraderie". This helps me understand a bit more where you're coming from.

I mentioned a thread dealing with NSDD 145 (1984). I've kicked that thread up in Alt Theories for you to look at (and other things it links to) which corroborates that the national security interests have oversight over broadcast television (and other media). You can see the thread here: http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum//index.php?showtopic=7250 Be sure to click on the first link in that thread to another thread in the forum.

As for your posts this morning, so far as I'm concerned you didn't do anything "wrong" exactly. However, just as you've had your experience with individuals within the 'movement', so have we, especially in terms of this forum. Most NPT posters end up getting banned -- not because of the NPT/VF which, as I've said, I (and others here) are willing to give some attention to. Due to experiences in the past with such posters and their attitudes we tend to keep NPT/VF on a tight leash. That could change but currently that is the way it is. Posting replies in multiple threads in rapid succession has the appearance of 'spamming', however well intended. Also keep in mind that most of the forums here are visible to 'guests' (non members). To see the Alt Theories forum, however, one has to be a member, so any 'guest' clicking on a link from an otherwise visible thread will get an error.

I'm in the midst of a lot of different things, including posting a reply to your thread. Lets try to keep the dialogue open.

Best,

Michael



QUOTE
Hi Michael,

Thank you for taking the time to write such a thoughtful letter. It means a lot to me.

Yes, Ace Baker is my real name. Alexander Collin "Ace" Baker. I write and produce music for a living, I have a gold record, and several network television credits, and a dozen or more feature films as a music writer. I have extensive background in video effects as well, and realized I could bring this expertise to bear on the 9/11 problem.

I spoke at the Madison scholars conference in August 2007, using my real name and face, no disguise. Unlike "Killtown", "Fred" and the other no-plane disinfo agents, I am not an anonymous sock-puppet. I am who I am.

I'm sorry you and Rob feel that my posts this morning were bad or wrong in some way. I sure didn't. I took great care to make sure each and every one of them responded to the topic of the thread, and then (ONLY THEN) did I connect the dots to my thesis and provide a link.

Your issue of friendship and commeraderie is interesting. That's certainly what I thought was important about 9/11 truth 3 years ago when I got into it. But it's very clear to me now that the movement is completely infiltrated with liars and spooks. I've been hurt so badly, and so personally, by so many, who have promised so much, that I just cannot trust anyone on that level at this time.

For example, Steven Jones. Steven Jones promised me, in writing, that he would publish my response to J.O.N.E.S. article that was written about my research. I wrote a response, and he refuses to publish it, to this day.

Jones is just one example. There are far too many to get into. I am not here for any "commeraderie". Sorry. I am here because I am quite confident of some things.

1. No planes crashed.
2. I've proven it.
3. Very powerful people want to cover up NPT, much more so than demolition and other aspects of 9/11.

Please bring on any science and logic you, Rob or anyone may have in response to my thesis.

Sincerely,

Ace Baker

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Message from a NPT supporter, Nov 16 2008, 06:26 AM


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Hello Ace,

I'm pretty new to the movement, reading stuff for about 2 years now.
I find the way how you and the NPT gets treated here very dissapointing.
So take it as a back-up for your excellent work and fell supported in mind.

If you need any help - which may be limited due to my language and experience -
let me know.



Good luck and keep on your brilliant work!

Best regards,

Ilja Probst aka INP

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Hello Ace,

I'm pretty new to the movement, reading stuff for about 2 years now.
I find the way how you and the NPT gets treated here very dissapointing.
So take it as a back-up for your excellent work and fell supported in mind.

If you need any help - which may be limited due to my language and experience -
let me know.

Good luck and keep on your brilliant work!

Best regards,

Ilja Probst aka INP

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Ace, do you have Skype? Add me to Skype and look for me. I think you have the best grip on what happened, or didn't happen with the faking of the WTC 'strikes' and I have always liked your work. I would be interested in hearing your opinions on the strike videos so that I can help put an end to the bickering at 911movement.

My Skype ID: Quest075

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